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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 4598789" data-attributes="member: 2205">I fail to see what that proves, really.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  Copy editing product blurbs really don't mean a whole lot.  Especially when you're saying it in an attempt to convince someone who's been playing D&D off and on for over 25 years that your one true wayism is, in fact, the one true way.  I've done too many different things with D&D over the years to buy into that kind of small-mindedness.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  Did you really just type that?It's a one size fits all solution to the problem you describe.  You haven't managed to make a convincing case that it's otherwise.  Repeating yourself over and over doesn't make what you're saying any more convincing.  In fact, it lends an awful lot of circumstantial evidence to my interpretation of events, frankly.  No wonder your players are sandbagging.Any problem in communication is attributable to both parties involved.  You're so insistant that this is their problem and not yours, that you aren't even considering thinking about their point of view or stake in the scenario.Again; no wonder your players are sandbagging.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  And you accuse me of making unwarranted assumptions about DM FAIL on your  part?  Pretty much that entire paragraph there was unwarranted assumptions on your part.  The fact that despite repeated (and polite, IMO) attempts to help you see a potential different point of view, you are insistent that the only possible thing going on is that the players just aren't living up to their "committment" to your excellent game which they would enjoy a lot of they weren't so stupid as to try and run a bakery instead of engage it.Yet another good example of why you're players might be sandbagging.  You clearly aren't the easiest GM to try and communicate with if they're unhappy with the direction of your game.Win.The only reason railroading has a name is because it's relatively common, but both are fundamentally problems having to do with both the GM and the players.  Granted; some GMs simply don't have the wherewithall to run any other style than one, and they railroad because otherwise they can't GM.  But mostly, they're not different things at all; they're flip sides of the same problem.Also: I don't know how long you've been posting and/or reading ENWorld, but this is pretty typical.  Maybe we're all wrong and you're right.  I dunno; I don't have any personal experience with your game.  All I have is personal experience with being on the other end of that equation, and I know how frustrating it can be as a player.  If you show up posting your sob story of how your PCs don't do what you want them to do, you do get nitpicked by a bunch of people who will take your PC's side and tell you all the things that you may be doing wrong.  In some cases, it's a place of misplaced bitterness about having had to endure similar situations and disliking them; in some cases, it's a question of folks with a bit of experience having run games that have faced similar problems and finding out why what they assumed wasn't necessarily true.  Take these comments in the spirit they were offered instead of getting so defensive, and see if there's an opportunity to improve your DMing skills.  If all you thought this thread was going to be was a congratulatory one where people laughed at your clever coining of a cute phrase, or told you that you were doing a great job and commiserated with you on "bad" PCs... well, there's another great example of misplaced and unwarranted assumptions on your part.  There's a reason coercive narrative railroad is unpopular, after all.No wonder the posters in this thread are all sandbagging.</blockquote>

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