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<blockquote data-quote="Mike Sullivan" data-source="post: 1006281" data-attributes="member: 9824"><p>As was <em>repeatedly</em> told to me the first dozen times or so that I posted on 3.5 PA threads, there is a fairly sizable minority of monsters who have shockingly low AC's for their CR's.</p><p></p><p>I freely admit that my example was somewhat contrived. I chose a scenario that I knew would benefit the TWFer more than the big-weapon fighter. But I point out the context for my example: Zhure asserted that regardless of the situation, with or without PA, in or out of 3.5, TWFers were disadvantaged in comparison to big weapon fighters, barring only bonus dice of damage from elemental weapon enhancements or sneak attack. My example, then, was intended to point out that this sentiment was incorrect, and <em>not</em> to be a general comment on the utility of TWF vis a vis big-weapon fighting.</p><p></p><p>That said, let's take another look at it. Yes, the AC they're facing is low. On the other hand, these aren't exactly power builds for either character. Their only modifiers to hit are very plain, vanilla magic weapons, a Strength score which honestly seems a little low to me for a 12th level pure Fighter, and their feats. Neither of them has used all of his feats. The two-weapon fighter isn't even a particularly good build -- using a two-bladed sword would increase his damage output significantly. And, most tellingly, the TWFer isn't just a percentage point or two ahead of the big-weapon fighter -- he's doing a very solid 11% more damage than the big-weapon guy. And his off-hand weapons sucks.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that it strains plausibility to suggest that in an actual campaign (where, among other things, elemental damage is certainly an option), an intelligently built but not min-maxed TWFer will find that there are a wide variety of encounters (perhaps a minority, but a sizable one) in which his damage output matches or exceeds the big-weapon guy's.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mike Sullivan, post: 1006281, member: 9824"] As was [i]repeatedly[/i] told to me the first dozen times or so that I posted on 3.5 PA threads, there is a fairly sizable minority of monsters who have shockingly low AC's for their CR's. I freely admit that my example was somewhat contrived. I chose a scenario that I knew would benefit the TWFer more than the big-weapon fighter. But I point out the context for my example: Zhure asserted that regardless of the situation, with or without PA, in or out of 3.5, TWFers were disadvantaged in comparison to big weapon fighters, barring only bonus dice of damage from elemental weapon enhancements or sneak attack. My example, then, was intended to point out that this sentiment was incorrect, and [i]not[/i] to be a general comment on the utility of TWF vis a vis big-weapon fighting. That said, let's take another look at it. Yes, the AC they're facing is low. On the other hand, these aren't exactly power builds for either character. Their only modifiers to hit are very plain, vanilla magic weapons, a Strength score which honestly seems a little low to me for a 12th level pure Fighter, and their feats. Neither of them has used all of his feats. The two-weapon fighter isn't even a particularly good build -- using a two-bladed sword would increase his damage output significantly. And, most tellingly, the TWFer isn't just a percentage point or two ahead of the big-weapon fighter -- he's doing a very solid 11% more damage than the big-weapon guy. And his off-hand weapons sucks. I don't think that it strains plausibility to suggest that in an actual campaign (where, among other things, elemental damage is certainly an option), an intelligently built but not min-maxed TWFer will find that there are a wide variety of encounters (perhaps a minority, but a sizable one) in which his damage output matches or exceeds the big-weapon guy's. [/QUOTE]
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