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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kaptain_Kantrip" data-source="post: 72900" data-attributes="member: 546">Orcus, Demogorgon, Juiblex and Yeenoghu all appeared for the 1st time in the original 1e MM, not Manual of the Planes, along with Asmodeus, Baalzebul, Dispater and Geryon. FF had Lolth. MM2 had Moloch, Mammon, Mephistopheles, Belial and Fraz-Urb'Luu, Graz'zt, Baphomet, Kostchie, Pazuzu as well as a host of lesser demons, evils and the daemons and demodands. The 1st appearance of these latter demon princes was in Gygax's Lost Caverns ofd Tsjocanth module, and then were reprinted in MM2. BTW: Scott's work is extremely well done and I think his conversions work fine. I wasn't aware there was some doubt as to his ability to convert these creatures. I thought his Orcus was somewhat more powerful than the one in Dungeon last year, but I might be misremembering it. Use whichever version you prefer, I say.</blockquote>