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<blockquote data-quote="Silverleaf" data-source="post: 2440490" data-attributes="member: 30790">AD&amp;D and Basic are actually quite different.&nbsp; AD&amp;D chargen is 4d6, drop lowest and arrange as desired, whereas Basic D&amp;D chargen is 3d6-in-order.&nbsp; Needless to say, a 17 in Basic is an occasion to rejoice, not something to pout about because you don't have an 18.In general, the modifiers in Basic D&amp;D go like this:[code]&nbsp; 18 : +316-17: +213-15: +1&nbsp;9-12: 0&nbsp;6-8 : -1&nbsp;4-5 : -2&nbsp; 3&nbsp; : -3[/code]But the scale is slightly different for some thing that are rolled on 1d6 (initiative) or 2d6 (reaction &amp; morale) instead of d20.&nbsp; And there is no 18/xx (aka exceptional) STR.Also in Basic, the gauntlets don't give a bonus.&nbsp; Instead, they just change your /effective/ STR to 18 (hence no benefit if you already had 18 STR).&nbsp; Similarly, the girdle gives you the same chances to-hit as a hill giant (hence no effect if your BAB+STR were already as good or better), though it does let you roll double damage for your weapon (eg, 2d6 instead of 1d6).Generally speaking, Basic D&amp;D doesn't care about ability scores outside of the 3-18 range.&nbsp; The Immortals boxed set changed that for immortals, but that's a different game altogether, and it's part of Mentzer's BECM edition rather than the earlier B/X books.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Silverleaf, post: 2440490, member: 30790"] AD&D and Basic are actually quite different. AD&D chargen is 4d6, drop lowest and arrange as desired, whereas Basic D&D chargen is 3d6-in-order. Needless to say, a 17 in Basic is an occasion to rejoice, not something to pout about because you don't have an 18. In general, the modifiers in Basic D&D go like this: [code] 18 : +3 16-17: +2 13-15: +1 9-12: 0 6-8 : -1 4-5 : -2 3 : -3 [/code] But the scale is slightly different for some thing that are rolled on 1d6 (initiative) or 2d6 (reaction & morale) instead of d20. And there is no 18/xx (aka exceptional) STR. Also in Basic, the gauntlets don't give a bonus. Instead, they just change your /effective/ STR to 18 (hence no benefit if you already had 18 STR). Similarly, the girdle gives you the same chances to-hit as a hill giant (hence no effect if your BAB+STR were already as good or better), though it does let you roll double damage for your weapon (eg, 2d6 instead of 1d6). Generally speaking, Basic D&D doesn't care about ability scores outside of the 3-18 range. The Immortals boxed set changed that for immortals, but that's a different game altogether, and it's part of Mentzer's BECM edition rather than the earlier B/X books. [/QUOTE]

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