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<blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 5966310" data-attributes="member: 6678119">Given the power of spellcasting and such, I'd say any more limits on strength and such would be a very bad nerf to the whole thing.&nbsp; Mundanes are already shafted when it comes to high level play, and you want to screw them even more?&nbsp; In the majority of cases they need it to even lag behind a bit.&nbsp; If this desire to nerf ability scores comes from trying to make things &quot;realistic&quot; then you should really stop right there and think about what D&amp;D actually is.&nbsp; It is fantastic, not realistic, even if there are some rules based on reality as we perceive it.Keep in mind even reality trumps the &quot;max&quot; in some cases.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060120a" target="_blank">Design &amp; Development: Proud Nails</a> lists weightlifter Shane Hamman as having 23 strength based on his snatch weight and the rules for carrying stuff and lifting it.That or he effectively has the Natural Heavyweight feat from the Planar Handbook, but if we're talking reality then that probably doesn't work since humans, as far as we know, are not descended from extraplanar beings.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jackinthegreen, post: 5966310, member: 6678119"] Given the power of spellcasting and such, I'd say any more limits on strength and such would be a very bad nerf to the whole thing. Mundanes are already shafted when it comes to high level play, and you want to screw them even more? In the majority of cases they need it to even lag behind a bit. If this desire to nerf ability scores comes from trying to make things "realistic" then you should really stop right there and think about what D&D actually is. It is fantastic, not realistic, even if there are some rules based on reality as we perceive it. Keep in mind even reality trumps the "max" in some cases. [URL="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060120a"]Design & Development: Proud Nails[/URL] lists weightlifter Shane Hamman as having 23 strength based on his snatch weight and the rules for carrying stuff and lifting it. That or he effectively has the Natural Heavyweight feat from the Planar Handbook, but if we're talking reality then that probably doesn't work since humans, as far as we know, are not descended from extraplanar beings. [/QUOTE]

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