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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sekhmet" data-source="post: 5967021" data-attributes="member: 97602">@Alzrius If your game is all about fun, and you don't care at all about being useful, then there is no reason for you to be trying to argue that Fighters are even "okay" or that casters aren't an Nth degree better than Fighters. While the tripping Fighter can definitely hit you, he'll be dealing so little damage that it isn't noticeable (assuming he hits, at all).  Likewise, summoned creatures very frequently replace/trump Fighters in my games. A Crocodile at level 3 can do so much more than your average Fighter that it makes him more or less useless, and this isn't even considering the calling spells.  Fighters who remain at medium size are already reducing their own effectiveness intentionally - I wouldn't even bother reducing one.  If you haven't seen the strength of a well placed Grease spell, I question how effective the casters in your groups have been. Are they just memorizing as many blasting spells as possible? Fighters don't have strong Balance checks (especially when wearing armor), and will more than likely be stuck standing still or falling prone - plus, they're flat-footed. Free ranged sneak attacks. A Fighter without his weapon may as well try to tickle you to death - another place where Grease reigns as one of the best 1st level spells in the game - a perfect candidate for an Eternal Wand or three. Likewise, if your casters haven't effectively ended a combat with a well placed level 1-3 spell, even up to ECL 10, I'm beginning to feel that your friends don't know how to choose their spell lists or just want to cast "pretty lights and fires".   I've been playing for almost two decades now, and I certainly have enough gameplay and DM experience to realize that these aren't theoretical scenarios. A good caster can drastically outshine every other character at the table, in 99% of the scenarios you put them in, every day - even with requesting prepared spell lists and using every check in the book to try to minimize their strength.  Some casters do Fighter better than Fighters do, on top of being able to do anything else they care to do.  [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFuMpYTyRjw]Angel Summoner and BMX Bandit - YouTube[/ame]  Comes to mind every time.</blockquote>

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