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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6285414" data-attributes="member: 177">It is not arbitrary*.&nbsp; It's called &quot;judgement&quot;.&nbsp; The GM is expected to apply it every once in a while.&nbsp; The GM decides loads of times that a die roll isn't even called for - when tasks are insignificant.&nbsp; So, that decision's being made implicitly dozens of times a game, and this ceases to be a solid argument against Take 20.Take 20 can be used to deal with, &quot;You can try and retry this pretty much ad infinitum.&nbsp; If you've got enough skill and ability, you *will* get it eventually, if you don't, you won't, so let's not take up the time of everyone at the table while you try it.&quot;&nbsp; Because sitting around for someone to roll dozens of times to see what happpens if and when a 20 comes up is generally *BORING* for everyone else at the table.*You probably aren't doing this, but I've seen it several times recently - misuse of the term arbitrary.&nbsp; Arbitrary means, &quot;because I feel like it, and I cannot give a rational justification&quot;.&nbsp; If you can back up with some logic as to why the thing applies, you are not being arbitrary.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6285414, member: 177"] It is not arbitrary*. It's called "judgement". The GM is expected to apply it every once in a while. The GM decides loads of times that a die roll isn't even called for - when tasks are insignificant. So, that decision's being made implicitly dozens of times a game, and this ceases to be a solid argument against Take 20. Take 20 can be used to deal with, "You can try and retry this pretty much [I]ad infinitum[/I]. If you've got enough skill and ability, you *will* get it eventually, if you don't, you won't, so let's not take up the time of everyone at the table while you try it." Because sitting around for someone to roll dozens of times to see what happpens if and when a 20 comes up is generally *BORING* for everyone else at the table. [SIZE=1]*You probably aren't doing this, but I've seen it several times recently - misuse of the term arbitrary. Arbitrary means, "because I feel like it, and I [I]cannot give a rational justification[/I]". If you can back up with some logic as to why the thing applies, you are not being arbitrary.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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