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<blockquote data-quote="Keith" data-source="post: 1619641" data-attributes="member: 10752">Given the kind of people usually used as PCs, I think treating &quot;shutting up&quot; as any kind of skill check, where the chances of being heard while doing nothing but breathing are more than remote, is pretty unreasonable.&nbsp; A creature with acute hearing that is trying to trace the breathing of a creature it knows to be nearby, OK.&nbsp; But an ordinary person walking by, and a PC is hidden (I agree totally with that check- just because you stand still does not mean you are hidden), and tries to be quiet- they should succeed very often.&nbsp; Sure, you might sneeze once in a blue moon.&nbsp; If you wanted to represent that, I would take it well out of the range of comparing it to actually trying to move quietly.&nbsp; Say, a percentile roll where 100 means you make an inadvertent noise.Really, though, I think it is kind of a silly thing to bother with for a game about heroes.&quot; akin to the +5 to a listen check for not moving (which I'm sure most DMs forget about).&quot;I don't know what that is (so, you may be exactly right...); I don't see it under listen.&nbsp;&nbsp; I do see a DC of 15 even for people whispering- people who are still and silent should do better than that- say, maybe DC 60?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Keith, post: 1619641, member: 10752"] Given the kind of people usually used as PCs, I think treating "shutting up" as any kind of skill check, where the chances of being heard while doing nothing but breathing are more than remote, is pretty unreasonable. A creature with acute hearing that is trying to trace the breathing of a creature it knows to be nearby, OK. But an ordinary person walking by, and a PC is hidden (I agree totally with that check- just because you stand still does not mean you are hidden), and tries to be quiet- they should succeed very often. Sure, you might sneeze once in a blue moon. If you wanted to represent that, I would take it well out of the range of comparing it to actually trying to move quietly. Say, a percentile roll where 100 means you make an inadvertent noise. Really, though, I think it is kind of a silly thing to bother with for a game about heroes. " akin to the +5 to a listen check for not moving (which I'm sure most DMs forget about)." I don't know what that is (so, you may be exactly right...); I don't see it under listen. I do see a DC of 15 even for people whispering- people who are still and silent should do better than that- say, maybe DC 60? [/QUOTE]

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