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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1619654" data-attributes="member: 5890">They might be forgetting it because it's not there... Or is it written somewhere really unusual?As to the original question - if they keep bitching about it, tell them they may take 10, an note the bonuses they get for being distant from the listener, for (usually) having the listener distracted etc.I know for a fact that if I'm hiding and staying still somewhere, my breathing still makes noise, and I can hear my joints creak on occasion because I have to periodically adjust my weight, or I'll fall over...I can imagine that the effect of platemail would amplify that immensely.</blockquote>