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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sekhmet" data-source="post: 5432505" data-attributes="member: 97602">Okay, lets use this example. Order of battle is Conan, Ogre, Tass. Ogre strikes Conan, Conan is reduced to 5 hit points.  The order is now Tass, Conan, Ogre. Ogre just took his turn, so Tass and Conan have time to react to Conan being dropped to 5 hitpoints. It does not matter if the Ogre's initiative put him before Conan/after Tass, what matter is that Conan and Tass are always REACTIVELY acting to Ogre, regardless of the initiative. ----------- What I, and every other poster in this thread have been saying since the first post, is that after initiative is set in round 1, it does not matter if initiative changes for the following rounds, as everyone is reacting to the person before them in the order of battle. Winning initiative on round 1 is advantageous throughout the entire combat, but acting first in round 2-NaN is much less important than acting first in round 1. You are the only person arguing against that; and in all of your examples, you have only further and further solidified that you agree with us in practice.  In the Fighter6 vs Fighter6 argument, the person who wins initiative in round 1 wins because he acted first in that combat, and therefor has a chance to make more attacks than his opponent. However, if Fighter 2 delays his action to go right before Fighter 1, the order of battle does not change, nor does it have any effect on Fighter 1 having already scored a hit, and therefor Fighter 1 will still have more attacks in that combat than Fighter 2.------------ You've brought up the example of characters that have not been engaged in combat being able to set their initiative where they want it to be. Page 22 of the 3.5 DMG states  Pages 22-23 gives rules on "new combatants", which is what Tass is, if he is entering the combat before being engaged, and that rule states:  So, not only does the DMG agree with us, all of your arguments so far have essentially agreed with us as well.  We are all confused that you do not see this.</blockquote>

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