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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8047803" data-attributes="member: 7006">For me the question is not if a Stealth check is &quot;required&quot;, because that assumes there is a choice in the matter.I always take it from the POV of the person trying to find enemies. The only way they can notice people who aren't out in the open is to compare their Passive Perception to an enemy's Stealth check. That Stealth check is the DC. Which means that any person that is trying to remain unnoticed HAS to roll a Stealth check because that is the only way a DC will be generated for a person's Passive Perception to compare against.In the illusion's case... one of the requirements for avoiding notice (to start with) is to be out of view. Being behind an illusion provides that. You then couple that with trying to avoid making noise and you have succeeded in setting up the situation where any viewer needs to use their PP to notice you. Thus at that point the character has no choice but to make a Stealth check, as that is the only way we have to figure out just how well they succeeded (by generating a DC to compare against.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8047803, member: 7006"] For me the question is not if a Stealth check is "required", because that assumes there is a choice in the matter. I always take it from the POV of the person trying to find enemies. The only way they can notice people who aren't out in the open is to compare their Passive Perception to an enemy's Stealth check. That Stealth check is the DC. Which means that any person that is trying to remain unnoticed HAS to roll a Stealth check because that is the only way a DC will be generated for a person's Passive Perception to compare against. In the illusion's case... one of the requirements for avoiding notice (to start with) is to be out of view. Being behind an illusion provides that. You then couple that with trying to avoid making noise and you have succeeded in setting up the situation where any viewer needs to use their PP to notice you. Thus at that point the character has no choice but to make a Stealth check, as that is the only way we have to figure out just how well they succeeded (by generating a DC to compare against.) [/QUOTE]

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