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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5219727" data-attributes="member: 2011">The Stealth and Perception check rules are not that good.Here's what I do:1) Instead of the cover or concealment rules of the PHB, or the superior cover or total concealment rules of the PHB II, I use the cover / concealment rules of the PHB with the caveat that in order to steath and use cover, the opponent must be unable to see 2 of the 4 squares of the creature trying to use stealth. The original rules were too generous and the new rules are too strict. It's nearly impossible to hide with the new rules.2) With regard to perception, I have the players roll most of the time. The entire mechanics of one player has +12 and another has +2, so if you make it within the range of the second player, the first player automatically spots it every time is just lame. Passive Perception is also a good way to ruin surprises and such. I don't mind the players ruining a surprise as long as it is not automatic. I use Passive Perception for mundane stuff. If I don't want the players to know that they are making a perception roll and hence alert them to danger, I will make the Active Perception rolls in private.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5219727, member: 2011"] The Stealth and Perception check rules are not that good. Here's what I do: 1) Instead of the cover or concealment rules of the PHB, or the superior cover or total concealment rules of the PHB II, I use the cover / concealment rules of the PHB with the caveat that in order to steath and use cover, the opponent must be unable to see 2 of the 4 squares of the creature trying to use stealth. The original rules were too generous and the new rules are too strict. It's nearly impossible to hide with the new rules. 2) With regard to perception, I have the players roll most of the time. The entire mechanics of one player has +12 and another has +2, so if you make it within the range of the second player, the first player automatically spots it every time is just lame. Passive Perception is also a good way to ruin surprises and such. I don't mind the players ruining a surprise as long as it is not automatic. I use Passive Perception for mundane stuff. If I don't want the players to know that they are making a perception roll and hence alert them to danger, I will make the Active Perception rolls in private. [/QUOTE]

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