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<blockquote data-quote="MarkB" data-source="post: 4401795" data-attributes="member: 40176"><p>It stands for "Please Examine And Critique Honestly".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My only complaint to your previous question to CSR was that, in a discussion about the applicability or not of passive checks, you failed to even mention passive checks in your question, let alone actually ask when they apply.</p><p></p><p>So you've got me scratching my head now as to why, in response to my previous post, you would seek clarity by submitting a follow-up question that yet again fails to even mention passive checks.</p><p></p><p>The only answer I can come up with is that it's a deliberate evasion. I hope that this is not the case, but it's hard to see another explanation.</p><p></p><p>I don't consider CSR to have a particularly useful record as arbiters of rules interpretation, but if you really wish to pursue this avenue of enquiry, try something like the following:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Background:</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>The rules for opposed skill checks (PHB 178) say that both parties roll checks.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>The rules for passive checks (PHB 179) say that they are a form of opposed check in which only the active participant rolls, the passive participant using a fixed skill value as though they had taken 10, and that they're used whenever a character is not actively using a skill.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Both sections use Stealth vs. Perception as an illustrative example, with the passive checks section specifying a situation in which those making the Perception checks aren't actively looking around for danger.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>The Stealth skill description (PHB 188) describes Stealth as an opposed check, Stealth vs. Perception.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>The Perception skill description (PHB 186) states that the DM usually uses your passive Perception check, and that you need to take a standard action to use the skill actively.</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Question:</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>When making an opposed Stealth vs. Perception check during combat, do those opposing the Stealth check use their passive Perception, or roll Perception checks?</em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em></em></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>If the latter, does this require any action on their turn? And if they roll lower than their passive check value, must they use the lower result?</em></p><p></p><p>That should sufficiently establish the frame of reference, and provide a definitive answer to the question you're asking here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MarkB, post: 4401795, member: 40176"] It stands for "Please Examine And Critique Honestly". My only complaint to your previous question to CSR was that, in a discussion about the applicability or not of passive checks, you failed to even mention passive checks in your question, let alone actually ask when they apply. So you've got me scratching my head now as to why, in response to my previous post, you would seek clarity by submitting a follow-up question that yet again fails to even mention passive checks. The only answer I can come up with is that it's a deliberate evasion. I hope that this is not the case, but it's hard to see another explanation. I don't consider CSR to have a particularly useful record as arbiters of rules interpretation, but if you really wish to pursue this avenue of enquiry, try something like the following: [indent][i]Background: The rules for opposed skill checks (PHB 178) say that both parties roll checks. The rules for passive checks (PHB 179) say that they are a form of opposed check in which only the active participant rolls, the passive participant using a fixed skill value as though they had taken 10, and that they're used whenever a character is not actively using a skill. Both sections use Stealth vs. Perception as an illustrative example, with the passive checks section specifying a situation in which those making the Perception checks aren't actively looking around for danger. The Stealth skill description (PHB 188) describes Stealth as an opposed check, Stealth vs. Perception. The Perception skill description (PHB 186) states that the DM usually uses your passive Perception check, and that you need to take a standard action to use the skill actively. Question: When making an opposed Stealth vs. Perception check during combat, do those opposing the Stealth check use their passive Perception, or roll Perception checks? If the latter, does this require any action on their turn? And if they roll lower than their passive check value, must they use the lower result?[/i][/indent] That should sufficiently establish the frame of reference, and provide a definitive answer to the question you're asking here. [/QUOTE]
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