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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the_redbeard" data-source="post: 4401922" data-attributes="member: 22644">We've pointed this out AGAIN and AGAIN.  Yes, on page 26 it says:"A rogue’s Stealth check is a skillcheck against a DC equal to the target’s Perceptioncheck result (an opposed check). If the check result ishigher than or equal to the DC, you succeed."It does not say whether the DC is based on an active check of the perception skill or a passive check of the perception skill.Yes, it does say this on 178 in an example of Opposed Checks:"When you use Stealth, for example, you’re testing your ability to hideagainst someone else’s ability to spot hidden things(the Perception skill). These skill contests are calledopposed checks."Which is specific to perception vs stealth.  However the next sentence"When you make an opposed check, both characters roll, and the higher check result wins."This is a general statement on opposed checks, not a specific one.BUT, here is a more specific case:Page 186:Perception: No action required—either you noticesomething or you don’t. Your DM usually uses yourpassive Perception check result. If you want to use theskill actively, you need to take a standard action orspend 1 minute listening or searching, depending onthe task.Seems clear that you need to take at least a standard action to get an active perception check unless there is an even more specific rule for using the perception skill... .and there is, on 281 in the even more specific case of spending a minor action to attempt to find a target that you can't see.Still, an action is required for an active perception check.  (This makes no judgment on any other skills.)This is the most specific wording for use of the perception skill which explicitly calls out whether the check is active or passive.The other mentions of perception vs stealth do not specify if the check is active or passive.  The specific wording of how the perception skill is used over rides the general rule of opposed checks.*Your question to CS seems to be designed to get a certain answer because you did not mention the conflicting rules.  Yes, if you want to use CS to support your position, you need to present both sides of the story.</blockquote>

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