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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the_redbeard" data-source="post: 4402623" data-attributes="member: 22644">It is an exception consistent with the theme: you need to take an action to get an active perception roll.  It is consistent with the exception - not a contradiction to the exception.No where does it specify that an active perception check be granted without an action.  Conversely, passive perception checks are said to be called by the DM, 'usually', etc.As you say, that is consistent with all opposed checks.  I'm not saying you need an action to make an active check with any skill - the exception is only for the perception skill.Try again.If they are using their standard actions to search, they get their roll versus the stealther's previous roll.The rules are clear that you need to actually take time of your turn to get an active perception check.No.  It makes the perception skill a valuable skill.  If someone in the party (or a monster encounter group) invests as heavily in perception as a stealther invests in stealth, then a passive perception check is just about the average stealth roll.Stealthers are not invincible.  But it does necessitate an arms race.  Clerics should spend a feat for skill training.  Rangers will be valuable in the party - and so on.  If you really have a problem, you could use Aid Another.There's also the Ready Action - which could even be used for a charge. I am not one to disavow anything CSR says, and I don't always get the answers I'm seeking.But I do honestly feel your question was a poor one - so I said so.You didn't quote the opposing rules at all.  That's different than stressing - that's omission.You effectively asked the CSR, "I think the sky is blue.  On page 1 of the Daily Handbook, it says the sky is blue.  Am I right?"While Mark B is saying, "On page 2 of the Daily Handbook, it says the sky can sometimes be orange during sunrises and sunsets.  VK, your proposed simplification of sky color doesn't cover all situations."</blockquote>

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