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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdpacheco" data-source="post: 4403457" data-attributes="member: 61319">I would say: Hidden is something you are from *all* creatures, at least for the sake of these feats.  Any time actual invisibility enters into it, it gets a little bit shaky.  Also, what happens if you're "invisible" and a new creature enter combat.  Do you check to see if your old Stealth beats their Perception?  Do you roll a new Stealth?  Are you suddenly not invisible just because you entered a new room, or someone new entered the room?I say: If you're hidden from *all* opponents, you can use said powers, and you will continue to be invisible or whatever for as long as that power would normally last.  If that makes sense.And, my take on Stealth:Actions are performed in conjunction with Stealth Checks.If you have concealment or cover (or the target is distracted) (and you aren't carrying or being light), you can attempt Stealth *before* the action you would like to perform in a stealth-like fashion.Make the check (vs Passive).If it's an attack (and you succeeded on the Stealth vs your target), you have combat advantage for that attack, but lose stealth immediately after the attack.If it's a move, those who's passive you're better than lose track of where you are. You are effectively hidden from them (until a later time).  If, as part of this move, you move more than 2 squares, you take a -5 penalty on the check.You *can* only make a Stealth check if you just want to be hidden, but you'll have to make another one as soon as you decide to do anything else.  The way I think of this one is "Move 0 squares and make a Stealth check", making a Move action to simply Hide.On a creature's turn, they can take a Standard action to "search" for you, making an Active Perception check.</blockquote>

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