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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 7039274" data-attributes="member: 5890">Turn based checks effectively mean that you will fail your infiltration unless your stealth score is so good that you don't actually need to roll. Do you have a 75% chance of remaining undetected for one roll? Well after 5 rounds, you've got a 23% chance of being undetected.Now you might be effectively doing what I suggested: treating a failed stealth roll as a step down a track towards detection - a guard comes to investigate a funny noise - rather than full blown detection itself, which allows chances to correct for a failure.Agreed. Passive checks in this edition are so fraught with inconsistency they basically have no value.I think you'll find that absolute impossible to back up, and I have personal experience to the contrary. Any time I've gotten lost, I've been quite aware ahead of time that I'm not sure the path I have chosen is correct.There are certain extremes which would make you aware, and certain levels of screw up where you would find a deception unbelievable and be likely to pre-emptively take countermeasures. For instance: you are walking across an open field, approaching a target from the rear. You step on a twig, which makes a large cracking sound when you are about 10ft from the target.I imagine that an amateur at stealth would freeze and watch their target for signs they heard, then be flabbergasted when they didn't actually get a surprise round.I imagine a pro would immediately dive 10ft forward and engage, simply assuming they had been heard.I can't imagine a pro not noticing that they screwed up.Extensive research proves the opposite. Incompetent people are more likely to overestimate their ability: they simply don't know what they don't know. Competent tend to underestimate their own ability.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect</a></blockquote>

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