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<blockquote data-quote="Ebony Dragon" data-source="post: 9638624" data-attributes="member: 4899">I kind of hate this because turns in D&amp;D are a simplification of combat that narratively is supposed to be happening all at once, right.&nbsp; Or do we think the actors are literally all standing perfectly still while one person does their entire turn?&nbsp; Why wouldn't the rogue see/hear someone circling around the boulder and take steps to stay out of their notice?&nbsp; Either moving around the boulder as the opponent does or slipping into another hiding spot.The hide check is an abstraction that takes into account that enemies may be trying to find them.&nbsp; The perception check (or passive perception) is also an abstraction that determines how good you are at finding someone hidden.&nbsp; Moving around a boulder to see the rogue is breaking this abstraction with a &quot;gotcha&quot; that the rogue has no defense against.&nbsp; I don't like it.&nbsp; Let the abstractions stand, because I-go then you-go turns don't really support hiding behind things at all which is silly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ebony Dragon, post: 9638624, member: 4899"] I kind of hate this because turns in D&D are a simplification of combat that narratively is supposed to be happening all at once, right. Or do we think the actors are literally all standing perfectly still while one person does their entire turn? Why wouldn't the rogue see/hear someone circling around the boulder and take steps to stay out of their notice? Either moving around the boulder as the opponent does or slipping into another hiding spot. The hide check is an abstraction that takes into account that enemies may be trying to find them. The perception check (or passive perception) is also an abstraction that determines how good you are at finding someone hidden. Moving around a boulder to see the rogue is breaking this abstraction with a "gotcha" that the rogue has no defense against. I don't like it. Let the abstractions stand, because I-go then you-go turns don't really support hiding behind things at all which is silly. [/QUOTE]

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