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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9639334" data-attributes="member: 5889">This is the crux....ultimately the Hide rules in 2024 completely failed at their job. There is incredible confusion in the player base as to how they work (honestly more than in 2014), and so everyone is just having to default to their own stab at them. This is like the 20th thread we have had on stealth, and every one of them circles the same exact issues....because no one knows what the designer intended answer is and its just really really vague and confusing.The hide rules to me are the biggest failure in 2024....because they were introduced in the playtest and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the arguments and confusions I have seen brought up in these threads were the exact same as during the playtest. Pages and pages of people showcasing why the rules were bad. The rules survived multiple playtest rounds and were introduced basically unchanged in the PHB. They had every chance to fix them, and now with this errata they had another chance to fix them if they had desired to. But the ship has sailed it appears.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 9639334, member: 5889"] This is the crux....ultimately the Hide rules in 2024 completely failed at their job. There is incredible confusion in the player base as to how they work (honestly more than in 2014), and so everyone is just having to default to their own stab at them. This is like the 20th thread we have had on stealth, and every one of them circles the same exact issues....because no one knows what the designer intended answer is and its just really really vague and confusing. The hide rules to me are the biggest failure in 2024....because they were introduced in the playtest and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the arguments and confusions I have seen brought up in these threads were the exact same as during the playtest. Pages and pages of people showcasing why the rules were bad. The rules survived multiple playtest rounds and were introduced basically unchanged in the PHB. They had every chance to fix them, and now with this errata they had another chance to fix them if they had desired to. But the ship has sailed it appears. [/QUOTE]

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