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<blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 8876000" data-attributes="member: 6674931">I do not remove the &quot;important audible aspect&quot;. I am saying that the visual one is incomprehensible, as I clarifed times and again above. But in order to see the problem you have to focus on the visual aspect only. Can you? ... focus on the visual aspect please?Try an example with characters which, for one reason or another, cannot listen ... Be that because they are deaf or because they simply do not rely on hearing to perceive creatures ... Be that because they are within or close to a busy/noisy enviroment (a city market, a lively tavern, a waterfall, a turbulent river, a windy plane, a downpour, a battle, a gala with music ...) ... Be that because they are covered in silence or some other similar effect ... Be that because the distance between seer and object is such that renders noise irrelevant..Please try and you will see how your theory by which you need to be in a heavily obscured area in order to take the hide action (even though we both acknowledge that the word &quot;heavily&quot; is mysteriously missing from both 5e and Level Up) ... simply breaks down.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jimlock, post: 8876000, member: 6674931"] I do not remove the "important audible aspect". I am saying that the visual one is incomprehensible, as I clarifed times and again above. But in order to see the problem you have to focus on the visual aspect only. Can you? ... focus on the visual aspect please? Try an example with characters which, for one reason or another, cannot listen ... Be that because they are deaf or because they simply do not rely on hearing to perceive creatures ... Be that because they are within or close to a busy/noisy enviroment (a city market, a lively tavern, a waterfall, a turbulent river, a windy plane, a downpour, a battle, a gala with music ...) ... Be that because they are covered in [I]silence[/I] or some other similar effect ... Be that because the distance between seer and object is such that renders noise irrelevant.. Please try and you will see how your theory by which you need to be in a [B]heavily[/B] obscured area in order to take the hide action (even though we both acknowledge that the word "heavily" is mysteriously missing from both 5e and Level Up) ... simply breaks down. [/QUOTE]

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