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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5246523" data-attributes="member: 61155">Unless you have a special rule or power that lets you hide without total concealment, you are correct. Note that some characters might create total concealment on their own, such a Drow creating a zone of darkness, or a rogue blinding an enemy. Obviously the opponent cannot see you during the effect (darkness or blindness), but this also allows you to then make a stealth check and remain stealthed, provided you find regular cover or concealment to be hidden in when the darkness/blindness ends.&nbsp;&nbsp;It all depends on how the DM wants to run it. If a creature goes invisible, and succeeds at moving quietly enough that no PC is aware of what space the creature is in, the DM might remove the mini and force the players to guess. Alternatively, they might leave the mini and just be open about the situation: &quot;I don't want to keep track of where he is, so I'm leaving it there. It is up to you guys to declare where your character would attack without using the Out of Character knowledge of where the enemy actually is.&quot;&nbsp;If some PCs can see him and others cannot, usually the DM will reveal the location - after all, in most cases, the ones who can see him can call out his location to those who can't. The ones who can't see him still have to deal with total concealment, but they can at least target his square. &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't have the rules in front of me, but I'm guessing awareness of its location. Even if you can't see it, you might make a Perception check to hear where it is standing - so it isn't hidden from you, but you still can't see it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5246523, member: 61155"] Unless you have a special rule or power that lets you hide without total concealment, you are correct. Note that some characters might create total concealment on their own, such a Drow creating a zone of darkness, or a rogue blinding an enemy. Obviously the opponent cannot see you during the effect (darkness or blindness), but this also allows you to then make a stealth check and remain stealthed, provided you find regular cover or concealment to be hidden in when the darkness/blindness ends. It all depends on how the DM wants to run it. If a creature goes invisible, and succeeds at moving quietly enough that no PC is aware of what space the creature is in, the DM might remove the mini and force the players to guess. Alternatively, they might leave the mini and just be open about the situation: "I don't want to keep track of where he is, so I'm leaving it there. It is up to you guys to declare where your character would attack without using the Out of Character knowledge of where the enemy actually is." If some PCs can see him and others cannot, usually the DM will reveal the location - after all, in [I]most[/I] cases, the ones who can see him can call out his location to those who can't. The ones who can't see him still have to deal with total concealment, but they can at least target his square. I don't have the rules in front of me, but I'm guessing awareness of its location. Even if you can't see it, you might make a Perception check to hear where it is standing - so it isn't hidden from you, but you still can't see it. [/QUOTE]

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