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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5246743" data-attributes="member: 71571">I have trouble with characters that are obstensibly a mercenary company that face dragons and demigods and armies of undead together to have no ability to communicate effectively in ways that simple non-speaking tribesman in human's past have been able to do since humanity first existed.It doesn't have to be sophisticated to be precise.If the PC made his stealth roll, the opposition would not be omniscient.&nbsp; They would be unable to see him.&nbsp; No one would be making hand gestures except of the 'I think he's over there' variety.We're not talking about someone who made their Stealth check.&nbsp; We're talking about someone who did not.&nbsp; Huge world of difference.Hear I thought the purpose of area of effect attacks was to attack in an area of effect, to hit multiple individuals.What you speak of is a bonus.&nbsp; But if one of your party knows the location, and can point it out with reasonable accuracy (5 feet of error, plus or minus), then being able to know and attack that square is reasonable.I mean, pointing out a circle of approximation is not that small an area all things considered.&nbsp; I'm damn sure you can do so with reasonable accuracy if you're part of a mercenary company that deals with that sort of thing on a regular basis.Unless everyone in said company has 8 intellegence and wisdom.Does everyone in your party have 8 intellegence and 8 wisdom?&nbsp; No?&nbsp; Then it is reasonable to assume someone would go 'Hey guys, we should learn how to communicate battlefield stuff effectively.'*holds up five fingers, rings them into an o, points forward, holds up one finger, five fingers, palms his hand forward, and pushes it to the right.*Given that it would be precise in the game world, using the abstraction as the approximation is just fine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5246743, member: 71571"] I have trouble with characters that are obstensibly a mercenary company that face dragons and demigods and armies of undead together to have no ability to communicate effectively in ways that simple non-speaking tribesman in human's past have been able to do since humanity first existed. It doesn't have to be sophisticated to be precise. If the PC made his stealth roll, the opposition would not be omniscient. They would be unable to see him. No one would be making hand gestures except of the 'I think he's over there' variety. We're not talking about someone who made their Stealth check. We're talking about someone who did not. Huge world of difference. Hear I thought the purpose of area of effect attacks was to attack in an area of effect, to hit multiple individuals. What you speak of is a bonus. But if one of your party knows the location, and can point it out with reasonable accuracy (5 feet of error, plus or minus), then being able to know and attack that square is reasonable. I mean, pointing out a circle of approximation is not that small an area all things considered. I'm damn sure you can do so with reasonable accuracy if you're part of a mercenary company that deals with that sort of thing on a regular basis. Unless everyone in said company has 8 intellegence and wisdom. Does everyone in your party have 8 intellegence and 8 wisdom? No? Then it is reasonable to assume someone would go 'Hey guys, we should learn how to communicate battlefield stuff effectively.' *holds up five fingers, rings them into an o, points forward, holds up one finger, five fingers, palms his hand forward, and pushes it to the right.* Given that it would be precise in the game world, using the abstraction as the approximation is just fine. [/QUOTE]

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