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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Otterscrubber" data-source="post: 4301572" data-attributes="member: 4588">Or they could just stand on the tables and get combat advantage from having an elevation advantage.I guess the rules as written do provide for stealthers to be able to stealth up, even in the middle of combat when enemies know exactly where they are, and get combat advantage.  I think this is the lamest thing in 4e to be honest.  This is so ridiculous it defies description.  How a person can use a scrap of cover to fool an enemy into thinking he's not actually there is beyond me.  It really assume opponents in combat are unbelievably easy to fool.    Maybe for an initial attack, but after that, I'm sorry the element of surprise is gone.  But whatever, I guess it is what it is.  If this is the original intent of the designers I have to say it is a flaw in an otherwise very enjoyable 4e system. I also basically have a problem with it making stealth into invisibility usable practically at will by anyone with this skill.If they are going to allow people in combat to stealth just because they are in a dimly lit room, it should at least be a standard action.</blockquote>