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<blockquote data-quote="Eldorian" data-source="post: 4302010" data-attributes="member: 10504"><p>Combat advantage isn't about awareness. It's about having an advantage in combat. An opponent might be entirely aware of your attack, but be unable to properly defend against it, and that's combat advantage. Even if he knows what barrel you are hiding behind, it doesn't mean that you don't have combat advantage. He can't properly defend against an attack if he doesn't know when it's coming, because you attack from hiding.</p><p></p><p>After all, you get combat advantage from flanking. I'm rather sure that your opponent knows where you are in those cases. </p><p></p><p>People, it's not overpowering for a rogue to hide all the time in combat. He doesn't get some huge miss chance or something, just an additional 3 to his defenses, over just cover or concealment. And this bonus can be negated by an opposed perception check.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I'm still not seeing where it says that you must roll opposed perception vs stealth in combat. By my reading, stealth is rolled against passive perception, and the perceiver can use a minor action to make a perception check against the stealthy person's previous stealth roll. This is how I run it in my game, and I either record or remember what the stealth check was for the monsters, and the players either record or remember what their stealth checks are.</p><p></p><p>The point is, a passive perception is part of an opposed roll. In fact, the only time passive checks are used is in an opposed roll. If you wish to argue this, you need to post page data. I'm reading 179 under passive checks, and 186 under perception. My reading requires rather few rolls, only rolls on the part of people actively doing something in a combat round, which isn't tough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldorian, post: 4302010, member: 10504"] Combat advantage isn't about awareness. It's about having an advantage in combat. An opponent might be entirely aware of your attack, but be unable to properly defend against it, and that's combat advantage. Even if he knows what barrel you are hiding behind, it doesn't mean that you don't have combat advantage. He can't properly defend against an attack if he doesn't know when it's coming, because you attack from hiding. After all, you get combat advantage from flanking. I'm rather sure that your opponent knows where you are in those cases. People, it's not overpowering for a rogue to hide all the time in combat. He doesn't get some huge miss chance or something, just an additional 3 to his defenses, over just cover or concealment. And this bonus can be negated by an opposed perception check. And I'm still not seeing where it says that you must roll opposed perception vs stealth in combat. By my reading, stealth is rolled against passive perception, and the perceiver can use a minor action to make a perception check against the stealthy person's previous stealth roll. This is how I run it in my game, and I either record or remember what the stealth check was for the monsters, and the players either record or remember what their stealth checks are. The point is, a passive perception is part of an opposed roll. In fact, the only time passive checks are used is in an opposed roll. If you wish to argue this, you need to post page data. I'm reading 179 under passive checks, and 186 under perception. My reading requires rather few rolls, only rolls on the part of people actively doing something in a combat round, which isn't tough. [/QUOTE]
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