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<blockquote data-quote="ravenight" data-source="post: 4302026" data-attributes="member: 69229">The RAW seems to indicate that as long as you have cover or concealment from someone (or they are distracted), you can attempt to do things without that person noticing. Of course house rules and judgment are always applicable, but I don't really see why you shouldn't be able to get a roll to take your action &quot;stealthily&quot;. If the target is unaware of the arrow you loosed, then you have combat advantage. Standing behind a wall, another person, a table, etc, should give you the opportunity to shoot stealthily if you are a lot stealthier than the target's perception. Obviously, there are relevant modifiers - if the target is focused on you or wherever you're hiding, then it is reasonable to give it a bonus to perception. If you are in total concealment vs. regular concealment, then it is reasonable to adjust the rolls. But there's no reason why a particularly stealthy rogue shouldn't be able to sneak up to and attack an orc that is in the middle of combat with his fighter buddy. Of course, once he's engaged in melee, then he can't have concealment or cover unless there's some sort of magic involved, but if the place is surrounded by concealment, it seems reasonable for the rogue to allow an OA from the orc, back off into the shadows, then sneak back up and attack from hiding again.Likewise, I don't see any reason why, if the orc didn't notice where the ranger's first arrow came from, the ranger shouldn't be able to sit in the same spot and hurl more arrows until the thing notices him.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ravenight, post: 4302026, member: 69229"] The RAW seems to indicate that as long as you have cover or concealment from someone (or they are distracted), you can attempt to do things without that person noticing. Of course house rules and judgment are always applicable, but I don't really see why you shouldn't be able to get a roll to take your action "stealthily". If the target is unaware of the arrow you loosed, then you have combat advantage. Standing behind a wall, another person, a table, etc, should give you the opportunity to shoot stealthily if you are a lot stealthier than the target's perception. Obviously, there are relevant modifiers - if the target is focused on you or wherever you're hiding, then it is reasonable to give it a bonus to perception. If you are in total concealment vs. regular concealment, then it is reasonable to adjust the rolls. But there's no reason why a particularly stealthy rogue shouldn't be able to sneak up to and attack an orc that is in the middle of combat with his fighter buddy. Of course, once he's engaged in melee, then he can't have concealment or cover unless there's some sort of magic involved, but if the place is surrounded by concealment, it seems reasonable for the rogue to allow an OA from the orc, back off into the shadows, then sneak back up and attack from hiding again. Likewise, I don't see any reason why, if the orc didn't notice where the ranger's first arrow came from, the ranger shouldn't be able to sit in the same spot and hurl more arrows until the thing notices him. [/QUOTE]

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