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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terramotus" data-source="post: 4265897" data-attributes="member: 7220">So, I snagged my books at a local bookstore, and I've been reading through them.  While reading through the Combat chapter of the DMG, I noticed something that made me do a double take under the Surprise section...So, wait a minute.  If the party is just tromping along without a care in the world and the monsters are behind a closed wooden door, there's a DC 25 Perception check.  That's fine.  But if, say, the Rogue wants to sneak up on said door and listen in, being as quiet as possible, he only gets a +5 to his stealth check?  That means that a 1st character with 20 Dex, trained in Stealth, has only a +10 base bonus +5 for the circumstance for a total of +15.  That means that the character has only a 50% chance of doing better than a character in big heavy plate making no attempt at stealth, and might even do worse.  Does that sound right?Not only that, but a quick scan of of the MM tells me that said DC 25 Perception check is well out of the range of most low level humanoids even rolling well, and certainly out of the range of their passive Perception scores.  I wonder if this is a typo and maybe should read DC 15.  That's still odd, but a little more sane.  Or maybe I'm reading this wrong.  Anyone else with the books have any insight?</blockquote>