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<blockquote data-quote="gnfnrf" data-source="post: 5347715" data-attributes="member: 2373">OK, so it seems that folks think that the regular Stealth rules apply in this case, and that an opposed Stealth-Perception check is used as normal (w/penalty due to blindness) and any attack anywhere immediately pinpoints the target, as would a success on the opposed check.&nbsp; I think that's odd, but I want to move on for a moment to some other implications of this new understanding of the rules.Now lets consider an adventurer is blind, but has fled the battle to wait for the blindness to wear off.&nbsp; A bandit is sneaking up on him, with total concealment due to the blindness.&nbsp; (If I understand it, the identical situation could occur at night without special vision, or with an invisible creature, or in dense fog, or any other situation with total concealment.)The bandit makes a Stealth check to sneak.&nbsp; The adventurer makes a Perception check.&nbsp; If I understand it, if the bandit wins, the adventurer does not know that a bandit is present.&nbsp; If the adventurer wins, he knows the square the bandit occupies.&nbsp; There is no way for the adventurer to hear that there IS a bandit nearby but not know precisely where the bandit is, which I claim SHOULD be the most likely outcome.&nbsp; Or am I wrong again?--gnfnrf</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gnfnrf, post: 5347715, member: 2373"] OK, so it seems that folks think that the regular Stealth rules apply in this case, and that an opposed Stealth-Perception check is used as normal (w/penalty due to blindness) and any attack anywhere immediately pinpoints the target, as would a success on the opposed check. I think that's odd, but I want to move on for a moment to some other implications of this new understanding of the rules. Now lets consider an adventurer is blind, but has fled the battle to wait for the blindness to wear off. A bandit is sneaking up on him, with total concealment due to the blindness. (If I understand it, the identical situation could occur at night without special vision, or with an invisible creature, or in dense fog, or any other situation with total concealment.) The bandit makes a Stealth check to sneak. The adventurer makes a Perception check. If I understand it, if the bandit wins, the adventurer does not know that a bandit is present. If the adventurer wins, he knows the square the bandit occupies. There is no way for the adventurer to hear that there IS a bandit nearby but not know precisely where the bandit is, which I claim SHOULD be the most likely outcome. Or am I wrong again? -- gnfnrf [/QUOTE]

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