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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6602483" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Yeah, that's on purpose. The more people you have sneaking, the more likely someone is to mess up and give away that there's someone out there--although if everyone is good at sneaking, it's likely that the target will vastly underestimate how many guys you have out there. If it were possible for a whole group of 20 PCs + minions to sneak up on a Fire Giant, it would not only be unrealistic, but you'd also have no incentive to keep your vanguard small.Note also that even if you roll a natural 1, a trained sneaker (e.g. +7 to Stealth) is still not going to be visible to the drow. Since their perception score is 12, or 7 in the dark, a natural 1 (= 8) still beats their passive score. All you do is give away your presence, which gives them the chance to actively listen to you, which might let them actually spot you and/or light a torch to see you for real and/or cast Faerie Fire in the region where they thought they heard you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6602483, member: 6787650"] Yeah, that's on purpose. The more people you have sneaking, the more likely someone is to mess up and give away that there's someone out there--although if everyone is good at sneaking, it's likely that the target will vastly underestimate how many guys you have out there. If it were possible for a whole group of 20 PCs + minions to sneak up on a Fire Giant, it would not only be unrealistic, but you'd also have no incentive to keep your vanguard small. Note also that even if you roll a natural 1, a trained sneaker (e.g. +7 to Stealth) is still not going to be visible to the drow. Since their perception score is 12, or 7 in the dark, a natural 1 (= 8) still beats their passive score. All you do is give away your presence, which gives them the chance to actively listen to you, which might let them actually spot you and/or light a torch to see you for real and/or cast Faerie Fire in the region where they thought they heard you. [/QUOTE]

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