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<blockquote data-quote="jrowland" data-source="post: 6070651" data-attributes="member: 94389"><p>I kind of feel like this thread misses the point in some respects. </p><p></p><p>We make ability checks. Period. Want to search the room for a secret door? Which ability is it? Wisdom? Intelligence? One could argue either, and I think THATS the point. The DM (as the arbiter of such things) makes the call.</p><p></p><p>So how do skills fit in? Spot could be used to help find the secret door whether its a wisdom to check or Intelligence check, but also if its any other ability. </p><p></p><p>I could use spot to aid in my charisma check. How you ask? If I am trying to befriend the local haberdasher, and th RP of the situation has us discussing the details of his work, perhaps I "spot" some of the finer detail, making him warm to my charms. Sure "perception" would work too, but in this mechanic perception broadens. Why couldn't I use perception on ANY check? Doesn't everything, at some level, require the use of senses? Maybe an Int check to remember a fact or detail, but I can hear a player arguing for its inclusion even there (I remember things better because of my sharp perception). </p><p></p><p>This is why perception cannot be a lump skill. It applies to everything (or nearly everything) when ability checks are used. Rather than call them spot, listen, etc. I suppose you could call them sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch (I totally want a +2 to touch, lol!) but thats not very evocative, and while +2 smell might have some uses, most of us aren't narrating our games where taste, touch,and smell are very useful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jrowland, post: 6070651, member: 94389"] I kind of feel like this thread misses the point in some respects. We make ability checks. Period. Want to search the room for a secret door? Which ability is it? Wisdom? Intelligence? One could argue either, and I think THATS the point. The DM (as the arbiter of such things) makes the call. So how do skills fit in? Spot could be used to help find the secret door whether its a wisdom to check or Intelligence check, but also if its any other ability. I could use spot to aid in my charisma check. How you ask? If I am trying to befriend the local haberdasher, and th RP of the situation has us discussing the details of his work, perhaps I "spot" some of the finer detail, making him warm to my charms. Sure "perception" would work too, but in this mechanic perception broadens. Why couldn't I use perception on ANY check? Doesn't everything, at some level, require the use of senses? Maybe an Int check to remember a fact or detail, but I can hear a player arguing for its inclusion even there (I remember things better because of my sharp perception). This is why perception cannot be a lump skill. It applies to everything (or nearly everything) when ability checks are used. Rather than call them spot, listen, etc. I suppose you could call them sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch (I totally want a +2 to touch, lol!) but thats not very evocative, and while +2 smell might have some uses, most of us aren't narrating our games where taste, touch,and smell are very useful. [/QUOTE]
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