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<blockquote data-quote="Wyckedemus" data-source="post: 6072163" data-attributes="member: 1079">But that's not actually what is happening. No one has a serious advantage the way it is now. DDN currently depicts Hiding vs. Seeking as a Dexterity vs. Wisdom check. If you want to be better at hiding, you can take a single skill and have a bonus. We'll call that Sneak. If you want to be better at seeking someone, you can take a single skill that gives you a bonus in most circumstances (those that include both sight and sound). Pick either Spot or Listen. You don't *need* both most of the time. There is still only one contested roll, and no one has a serious advantage over the other.Please keep in mind that while Sneak is the only &quot;hiding&quot; skill, it is pretty limited. It helps ability checks to avoid detection. That is it. Spot does more than one thing. It helps ability checks to find hidden people, and &quot;notice&quot; anything or anyone at any distance that the DM feels you have a shot of noticing (like on the other side of the river, or in a crowd, or seeing if someone picks a pocket, etc.) Listen affects ability checks to find hidden people, listen at doors and distances, and it helps with droppin' some eaves! If you bundle those together, it becomes a super skill. If you bundle Search and Sense Motive into them for a overall &quot;Perception&quot; skill, it gets even worse. You're effectively &quot;trained&quot; in Wisdom checks at that point.I think the weight of the skills should be a serious factor to consider before starting with the needless symmetry.YVMV</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wyckedemus, post: 6072163, member: 1079"] But that's not actually what is happening. No one has a serious advantage the way it is now. DDN currently depicts Hiding vs. Seeking as a Dexterity vs. Wisdom check. If you want to be better at hiding, you can take a single skill and have a bonus. We'll call that Sneak. If you want to be better at seeking someone, you can take a single skill that gives you a bonus in most circumstances (those that include both sight and sound). Pick either Spot or Listen. You don't *need* both most of the time. There is still only one contested roll, and no one has a serious advantage over the other. Please keep in mind that while Sneak is the only "hiding" skill, it is pretty limited. It helps ability checks to avoid detection. That is it. Spot does more than one thing. It helps ability checks to find hidden people, and "notice" anything or anyone at any distance that the DM feels you have a shot of noticing (like on the other side of the river, or in a crowd, or seeing if someone picks a pocket, etc.) Listen affects ability checks to find hidden people, listen at doors and distances, and it helps with droppin' some eaves! If you bundle those together, it becomes a super skill. If you bundle Search and Sense Motive into them for a overall "Perception" skill, it gets even worse. You're effectively "trained" in Wisdom checks at that point. I think the weight of the skills should be a serious factor to consider before starting with the needless symmetry. YVMV [/QUOTE]

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