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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4391943" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>That's not what he said. He said "4. Remember that <strong>intelligent </strong>foes will <strong>share </strong>information. If one of the four hobgoblins spots a hidden PC, that guy <strong>can tell</strong> his allies where the PC is hiding." Here, let me spell at least part of it out more clearly:</p><p></p><p>1) The foes have to be INTELLIGENT. Your house rule does not include this portion. If you are fighting a group of animals for example, a single high perception enemy cannot shut down the stealth.</p><p></p><p>2) They have to ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE THE INFORMATION, and this is not included in your house rule. This means it can never be "automatic" because you communicate on your own turn, and you have to be able to communicate which has it's own restrictions for things like LOS and a perception check to hear and understand over combat, a DM ruling on the availability of that free action, the revealing to the party of hidden foes because of that communication, etc..</p><p></p><p>And even with both of those limitations, Mearls goes on to say things which run contrary to that statement, and he makes it clear that he biases the scale TOWARDS BEING MORE LIBERAL WITH STEALTH CHECKS. He also allows for re-hiding while out in the open in a manner that your house rule does not, for example.</p><p> </p><p>You've taken Meals out of context, ignored portions of what he said that don't meet with your house rule and pretended he never said those things, ignored actual RAW, and all around tried to dress your own house rule up in the outfit of RAI. It's simply not an accurate claim that your house rule is RAI. We don't know RAI, and the evidence you use is at best misrepresented.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 4391943, member: 2525"] That's not what he said. He said "4. Remember that [B]intelligent [/B]foes will [B]share [/B]information. If one of the four hobgoblins spots a hidden PC, that guy [B]can tell[/B] his allies where the PC is hiding." Here, let me spell at least part of it out more clearly: 1) The foes have to be INTELLIGENT. Your house rule does not include this portion. If you are fighting a group of animals for example, a single high perception enemy cannot shut down the stealth. 2) They have to ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE THE INFORMATION, and this is not included in your house rule. This means it can never be "automatic" because you communicate on your own turn, and you have to be able to communicate which has it's own restrictions for things like LOS and a perception check to hear and understand over combat, a DM ruling on the availability of that free action, the revealing to the party of hidden foes because of that communication, etc.. And even with both of those limitations, Mearls goes on to say things which run contrary to that statement, and he makes it clear that he biases the scale TOWARDS BEING MORE LIBERAL WITH STEALTH CHECKS. He also allows for re-hiding while out in the open in a manner that your house rule does not, for example. You've taken Meals out of context, ignored portions of what he said that don't meet with your house rule and pretended he never said those things, ignored actual RAW, and all around tried to dress your own house rule up in the outfit of RAI. It's simply not an accurate claim that your house rule is RAI. We don't know RAI, and the evidence you use is at best misrepresented. [/QUOTE]
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