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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4394083" data-attributes="member: 71699">I nearly invariably DM, so my views are DM views. I found it interesting that my ruling appeared so threatening from a player's perspective. The body of MyISP's post (invective directed my way aside) returns many times to that same point; stressing the issue from a player's perspective. That was a helpful view to have: why would I ignore it?  Heh. The reason I'm interested in Stealth is because it's one of the more interesting mechanical problems for p&p RPG. A simple rendition of my argument would be that the overall intent of many rules taken together is preserved by limiting hiding to a minor or a power or skill (other than Stealth) that explicitly grants a check. In my view that is also a fair and fun ruling for a number of other reasons, but evidently views differ in that regard. You know I would give over on this, but defending my RAI claim is forcing me to test my assumptions. That may produce a better set of streamlined rules. (And by 'better' I mean more generally palatable, as well as effective at dealing with non-intuitive cases in a clean way.) -vk</blockquote>