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<blockquote data-quote="Noctem" data-source="post: 6794433" data-attributes="member: 6801315"><p>So you're ignoring half cover, 3/4 cover, partial concealment and so on as representative of being &quot;unclearly seen&quot;.&nbsp; So in your game, you can only hide if you have total cover and full concealment which are explicit as you being &quot;unseen&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; And if you hide using total cover you can then never attack because the moment you attempt to attack you lose hidden because you're automatically seen as you just explained.&nbsp; So in your game &quot;unclearly seen&quot; = &quot;unseen&quot; and there's nothing between those 2 and being seen.&nbsp; So being &quot;unclearly seen&quot; per the errata doesn't exist because there's no difference.&nbsp; Essentially, you're ignoring the errata in favor of having things work like it did prior to its release.&nbsp; That's fine and all but it certainly not what is intended.&nbsp; Errata is official changes to how rules function.&nbsp; You're also now not even following the rule you quoted!&nbsp; You're saying that the orc would notice someone hiding even though that hiding creature did not leave it's physical hiding spot nor physically approach the orc.&nbsp; Well I guess that's the end of the discussion?</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Noctem, post: 6794433, member: 6801315"] So you're ignoring half cover, 3/4 cover, partial concealment and so on as representative of being "unclearly seen". So in your game, you can only hide if you have total cover and full concealment which are explicit as you being "unseen". And if you hide using total cover you can then never attack because the moment you attempt to attack you lose hidden because you're automatically seen as you just explained. So in your game "unclearly seen" = "unseen" and there's nothing between those 2 and being seen. So being "unclearly seen" per the errata doesn't exist because there's no difference. Essentially, you're ignoring the errata in favor of having things work like it did prior to its release. That's fine and all but it certainly not what is intended. Errata is official changes to how rules function. You're also now not even following the rule you quoted! You're saying that the orc would notice someone hiding even though that hiding creature did not leave it's physical hiding spot nor physically approach the orc. Well I guess that's the end of the discussion? [/QUOTE]

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