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<blockquote data-quote="strider13x" data-source="post: 6795026" data-attributes="member: 6701931">I still feel the specific situation calls for a DM ruling, it's not as black and white as you presented. Just because I can see you DOESNT mean you can auto see me. Other terrain can interfere, other characters may be distracting the target. This is why we use dice to determine outcomes, let the dice decide rather than be the DM who always says NO! After the dice say NO then say the Orc is looking at you, if Yes then the Orc was distracted the the Fighter swing his axe at him!I'll sight an example from a classic D&amp;D module, B2. SPOILER ALERT. In one of the Goblin caves a series of rotting heads are placed in alcoves near the entrance, it so happens that one of the heads is a goblin hiding behind the wall and acting as the lookout, playing dead of course. Now is the Goblin auto seen by the players? Or should a roll be used to determine if the players notice (goblin stealth v passive perception?) Not so simple. Players can be careful in their descriptions so as to add to the scene that element of surprise. If they are bland in stating the action then stick with the by the book ruling, but don't make one ruling to fit all situations. my 2cp.(not calling you out, Saelorn! Just using your example to build on)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="strider13x, post: 6795026, member: 6701931"] I still feel the specific situation calls for a DM ruling, it's not as black and white as you presented. Just because I can see you DOESNT mean you can auto see me. Other terrain can interfere, other characters may be distracting the target. This is why we use dice to determine outcomes, let the dice decide rather than be the DM who always says NO! After the dice say NO then say the Orc is looking at you, if Yes then the Orc was distracted the the Fighter swing his axe at him! I'll sight an example from a classic D&D module, B2. SPOILER ALERT. In one of the Goblin caves a series of rotting heads are placed in alcoves near the entrance, it so happens that one of the heads is a goblin hiding behind the wall and acting as the lookout, playing dead of course. Now is the Goblin auto seen by the players? Or should a roll be used to determine if the players notice (goblin stealth v passive perception?) Not so simple. Players can be careful in their descriptions so as to add to the scene that element of surprise. If they are bland in stating the action then stick with the by the book ruling, but don't make one ruling to fit all situations. my 2cp. (not calling you out, Saelorn! Just using your example to build on) [/QUOTE]

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