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<blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 6795654" data-attributes="member: 9501"><p>The 5e rules tell us that when an obstacle is between attacker and defender then a cover bonus is applied. There is no concept of behind close or far from the obstacle. There is no difference between ranged and melee attacks. Earlier additions gave us some realistic exceptions to this such as rules for being close to the cover and the ability to effectively snipe around corners. 5e doesn't allow this but we are supposed to apply some common sense. So...</p><p></p><p>Sure using a low wall or corner as a defensive position to gain half cover, a +2 AC bonus and still shoot effectively. However I don't allow hiding at the same time as I don't believe that this situation classes as not being seen clearly when about half the body is visible. So no advantage to attack. I basically don't allow hiding with half cover as its too easy to do and doesn't fall into the category of not being able to see clearly. I would allow it upon exception with some clever movement or distraction.</p><p></p><p>If you want to hide, maintain at least three quarters cover, get a +5 bonus to AC and gain advantage to attack then I make that more difficult to shoot from by ruling that the cover also gets in the way of the attacker to some degree. Popping your head up while hiding is not enough to throw a javelin or dagger unhindered. The only weapon I can think of that might be usable in such a fashion would be a hand crossbow but I don't create different rules for different weapons so I stick to a general penalty in the form of a cover bonus (usually +2) to the defender.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prism, post: 6795654, member: 9501"] The 5e rules tell us that when an obstacle is between attacker and defender then a cover bonus is applied. There is no concept of behind close or far from the obstacle. There is no difference between ranged and melee attacks. Earlier additions gave us some realistic exceptions to this such as rules for being close to the cover and the ability to effectively snipe around corners. 5e doesn't allow this but we are supposed to apply some common sense. So... Sure using a low wall or corner as a defensive position to gain half cover, a +2 AC bonus and still shoot effectively. However I don't allow hiding at the same time as I don't believe that this situation classes as not being seen clearly when about half the body is visible. So no advantage to attack. I basically don't allow hiding with half cover as its too easy to do and doesn't fall into the category of not being able to see clearly. I would allow it upon exception with some clever movement or distraction. If you want to hide, maintain at least three quarters cover, get a +5 bonus to AC and gain advantage to attack then I make that more difficult to shoot from by ruling that the cover also gets in the way of the attacker to some degree. Popping your head up while hiding is not enough to throw a javelin or dagger unhindered. The only weapon I can think of that might be usable in such a fashion would be a hand crossbow but I don't create different rules for different weapons so I stick to a general penalty in the form of a cover bonus (usually +2) to the defender. [/QUOTE]
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