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<blockquote data-quote="MarkB" data-source="post: 4369347" data-attributes="member: 40176"><p>Mostly, I like your take on the subject, but this part I just don't get.</p><p></p><p>Presumably, the circumstance in which an enemy has line-of-sight to you but can't see you due to failing to beat your Stealth check is if you have concealment or cover from them, but not total concealment or total cover.</p><p></p><p>But even so, if you succeed on a stealth check, you are "unnoticed, unseen and unheard". You blend into the shadows so well that they look right through you. If your opponent can neither see nor hear you - and by RAW, they can't - what method are they using to pinpoint your square? It can't be a successful Perception check, because that would let them notice you, and deny you Combat Advantage. It can't be that they remember where they last saw you, because you could easily have moved since then.</p><p></p><p>Your 'supporting argument' for #6 refers to that for #5, which in turn hinges upon someone actually succeeding at perceiving the stealthed character. That doesn't apply here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MarkB, post: 4369347, member: 40176"] Mostly, I like your take on the subject, but this part I just don't get. Presumably, the circumstance in which an enemy has line-of-sight to you but can't see you due to failing to beat your Stealth check is if you have concealment or cover from them, but not total concealment or total cover. But even so, if you succeed on a stealth check, you are "unnoticed, unseen and unheard". You blend into the shadows so well that they look right through you. If your opponent can neither see nor hear you - and by RAW, they can't - what method are they using to pinpoint your square? It can't be a successful Perception check, because that would let them notice you, and deny you Combat Advantage. It can't be that they remember where they last saw you, because you could easily have moved since then. Your 'supporting argument' for #6 refers to that for #5, which in turn hinges upon someone actually succeeding at perceiving the stealthed character. That doesn't apply here. [/QUOTE]
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