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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Novem5er" data-source="post: 4374358" data-attributes="member: 57859">I'm sorry, I have to step in and say something. Props to the OP for compiling all sorts of data/rules-interpretation... and I agree that Stealth could be clarified better in the PHB.However,To quote a single sentence of the PHB: Success: You avoid notice, unheard and hidden from view.To me, this generally means that a stealthed player is not going to be attacked. This doesn't meant that the players crossbow is hidden from view (thus granting CA somehow). It means the player is hidden, and cannot be directly targeted.Ex. The party is barricaded in a dungeon room and a group of orcs is beating down the door. The rogue decides to hide behind some crates. The orcs burst in, fail to notice the rogue, and thus do not target him. Simple.Notice the rogue was hidden before any orc had a chance to notice him. If we switch it around some . . . Ex. The party is camping in a dungeon room and the rogue is walking across the center of the room when a band of orcs burst in, surprising the party. The rogue isn't attacked in the surprise round, but he was still clearly visible and "noticed". On his first action, he takes a normal move towards some crates and THEN succeeds on a hide check. The orcs cannot see the rogue, and cannot directly target him, but since they saw him originally and he wasn't hidden as he moved, they know that he's "behind the crates", and can move to get LoS or perhaps target the crates with a Area attack.However, if the rogue would have rolled Stealth as part of his move action (taking penalties for moving more than 2 squares, AND having cover or conceal during movement), the the orcs would not have seen him move towards the crates. They would have noticed the rogue originally, but would have lost track of where he went. Now, if the crates were the only logical hiding place, then an orc could move to investigate, but they wouldn't "know" the rogue was there.The same would hold true for PCs trying to target stealthed monsters.  A hidden monster cannot be directly targeted, but the PCs will be able to use the last known position (or movement) to guess where the monster is, then move to gain LoS or target an area with an appropriate power.</blockquote>

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