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<blockquote data-quote="Kitsune" data-source="post: 4380259" data-attributes="member: 4877">Okay, whoa.&nbsp; Hold horses.&nbsp; Stealthy people don't get a sudden +10 stealth for being stealthy.&nbsp; The 'beat by 10' is for passive Perception and attempts to detect a person's precise and targetable location with minor actions.If you are actively seeking out a stealthy person, it is not a minor action, it is a standard action.&nbsp; Per p186: If you want to use the skill actively, you need to take a standard action or spend 1 minute listening or searching, depending on the task.&nbsp; There is also no 'beat by 10' provision; if you beat them at all, you've spotted them.The minor action on p281 exists for people to be able to at least attempt to hit a hidden opponent or get enough of a clue about their location to search better, without blowing a standard action on a search attempt.&nbsp; And if you roll super-awesome with it, you can figure out where they are to a precise enough degree to toss arrows at them without fear of shooting at the wrong place.The minor action for getting a faint inkling of of something's general location, it's not to spot it.&nbsp; If you use the standard action and beat its stealth score, you see it.&nbsp; It's not a hunch, or a guess, you're looking right at it and know its precise location.&nbsp; Using the minor action is &quot;Hey, something's in those bushes.&quot;&nbsp; The standard action is &quot;Hey, there's a guy under that table.&quot;&nbsp; See the difference?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kitsune, post: 4380259, member: 4877"] Okay, whoa. Hold horses. Stealthy people don't get a sudden +10 stealth for being stealthy. The 'beat by 10' is for passive Perception and attempts to detect a person's precise and targetable location with minor actions. If you are actively seeking out a stealthy person, it is not a minor action, it is a standard action. Per p186: [b]If you want to use the skill actively, you need to take a standard action or spend 1 minute listening or searching, depending on the task.[/b] There is also no 'beat by 10' provision; if you beat them at all, you've spotted them. The minor action on p281 exists for people to be able to at least attempt to hit a hidden opponent or get enough of a clue about their location to search better, without blowing a standard action on a search attempt. And if you roll super-awesome with it, you can figure out where they are to a precise enough degree to toss arrows at them without fear of shooting at the wrong place. The minor action for getting a faint inkling of of something's general location, it's not to spot it. If you use the standard action and beat its stealth score, you see it. It's not a hunch, or a guess, you're looking right at it and know its precise location. Using the minor action is "Hey, something's in those bushes." The standard action is "Hey, there's a guy under that table." See the difference? [/QUOTE]

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