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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4383064" data-attributes="member: 71699">You make a lot of sense. On the WotC forums Tsuul suggested that the word 'concealed' under the heading Invisible Creature Uses Stealth could be read as 'invisible' or 'totally concealed' as opposed to 'hidden'. If you do read it that way, then that block applies literally only to entities that are invisible that are also using Stealth. That would exactly resolve the RAW in the direction you suggest. The opening statement of the TWYCS rules seems to support that. However, we've been instructed to use those rules for hidden entities. There's nothing that then distinguishes those entities in a way that lets us disapply the +10 rules with any greater justice than disapplying the rules for Pick A Square And Attack. That block isn't written to pull apart that way. Or can you think of something? Otherwise DMs can go various RAI routes, but RAW seems to admit only the standard action way out. -vk</blockquote>