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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4389648" data-attributes="member: 71699"> RAW and CSR make it clear that DMs tell players when a given situation is appropriate, including for Stealth. For the reasons you point out, I advise that using a power that grants a check should qualify for that. With regard to cover and concealment, your pit example is a good one. Mostly you can see a jump check being reasonable, but you can never rule out something situational interfering with that. Imagine a power reading 'Effect: The target cannot use stealth (save ends)' for instance.  I've followed a forensic process that has deduced how stealth mechanically operates, resolving contradictions as well as possible. I've endeavoured to be neutral on that. Do I like Stealth. Yes. Is the present system unwieldy and imba? Yes. Am I stealth-nerfing it in this thread? No. -vk </blockquote>