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<blockquote data-quote="fuzzlewump" data-source="post: 4402480" data-attributes="member: 63214">There's nothing complex about it really, he is just saying that there is a difference between stealthing when someone knows where you are and stealthing when they don't.An example of lesser hidden is an Eladrin Rogue dancing around a Human Fighter in the dim moonlight using stealth. The fighter knows what square the Eladrin is in and only suffers a -2 from normal concealment. However, the fighter strains to see the features on the Eladrin, and can't tell exactly what is a feint, slash or dodge, nor can he perfectly tell the difference between a glinting piece of armor or the point of a dagger, hence granting combat advantage. The Eladrin Rogue, assuming a successful Stealth check, is lesser hidden.Without Total Cover or Total Concealment, the Eladrin cannot gain Greater Stealth in combat, which given those conditions would mean the Eladrin is hidden and the Human does not know what square his opponent is in.Personally I find the distinction more simple than the wad of rules underneath &quot;Stealth&quot; in the PHB.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fuzzlewump, post: 4402480, member: 63214"] There's nothing complex about it really, he is just saying that there is a difference between stealthing when someone knows where you are and stealthing when they don't. An example of lesser hidden is an Eladrin Rogue dancing around a Human Fighter in the dim moonlight using stealth. The fighter knows what square the Eladrin is in and only suffers a -2 from normal concealment. However, the fighter strains to see the features on the Eladrin, and can't tell exactly what is a feint, slash or dodge, nor can he perfectly tell the difference between a glinting piece of armor or the point of a dagger, hence granting combat advantage. The Eladrin Rogue, assuming a successful Stealth check, is lesser hidden. Without Total Cover or Total Concealment, the Eladrin cannot gain Greater Stealth in combat, which given those conditions would mean the Eladrin is hidden and the Human does not know what square his opponent is in. Personally I find the distinction more simple than the wad of rules underneath "Stealth" in the PHB. [/QUOTE]

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