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<blockquote data-quote="Shabe" data-source="post: 4402922" data-attributes="member: 66108">Well thats almost how i see the rules, i just think that if you have total concealment / cover when you stealth it grants you &quot;greater hidden&quot; until you lose hidden status via any method the rules state. This allows you to hide round a corner, then sneak behind the barrels up to the guards and stab them, without also allowing you to hide behind a row of slender pillars and saying you don't know where I am now. It was based on someones reasoning of the RAW on this board who i can't quite remember now.&nbsp;Alert - If a monster has seen you he is alert to your presence.&nbsp;Stealth - You may stealth (Stealth Check) as part of any action with a -5 penalty if you have moved more than 2 squares that round. If you beat all enemies' passive perception that have line of sight to you AND you have cover, concealment or have made a distraction (via bluff) then you obtain hidden status.If you have total concealment or total cover, then in addition the enemy is not alert to your presence.&nbsp;Hidden - If the enemy is not alerted to you - treat as twycs and grants combat advantage.If the enemy is alerted to your presence - grants you combat advantage.You may only be hidden if you have concealment, cover or have provided a distraction this round (via bluff).You lose hidden status if you attack, carry a light source, shout or any other action the dm judges will give you away.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shabe, post: 4402922, member: 66108"] Well thats almost how i see the rules, i just think that if you have total concealment / cover when you stealth it grants you "greater hidden" until you lose hidden status via any method the rules state. This allows you to hide round a corner, then sneak behind the barrels up to the guards and stab them, without also allowing you to hide behind a row of slender pillars and saying you don't know where I am now. It was based on someones reasoning of the RAW on this board who i can't quite remember now. Alert - If a monster has seen you he is alert to your presence. Stealth - You may stealth (Stealth Check) as part of any action with a -5 penalty if you have moved more than 2 squares that round. If you beat all enemies' passive perception that have line of sight to you AND you have cover, concealment or have made a distraction (via bluff) then you obtain hidden status. If you have total concealment or total cover, then in addition the enemy is not alert to your presence. Hidden - If the enemy is not alerted to you - treat as twycs and grants combat advantage. If the enemy is alerted to your presence - grants you combat advantage. You may only be hidden if you have concealment, cover or have provided a distraction this round (via bluff). You lose hidden status if you attack, carry a light source, shout or any other action the dm judges will give you away. [/QUOTE]

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