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<blockquote data-quote="Prodigal_Sun" data-source="post: 4403094" data-attributes="member: 54820">I just reread the stealth skill description and can't distinguish two levels of stealth. Many times a rogue goes behind cover and then attacks, loosing the hidden condition. In these cases, stealth has only granted the rogue combat advantage. Should the rogue hide behind a statue and do nothing to break stealth (not attacking, not being in line of sight of others, not shouting, ...) he would be hidden, although it wouldn't be hard for enemies to target the right square since it's obvious he's behind the statue so the TWYCS rules don't come into play. Should the rogue be hidden in a larger area where the square he would be hiding in would not be obvious then he would be hidden. The creatures looking for him could make active perception checks as minor actions to find him. So I think the different lvl's of stealth you try to discern are just due to the fact that in many situations the TWYCS rules are not needed and only come into play in certain situations.I think the fact that in 3.5 you couldn't hide during combat because enemies would be aware still plays in people's mind. And the bluff rules that imply you can only hide and gain the benefit of the TWYCS rules if you where hidden previous to combat or by using the bluff skill. Now I'm confused.Here's an example.An eladrin ranger attacks with nimble strike and shifts behind a pillar, then uses his move action to teleport stealthily behind a different pillar. In this example I think the eladrin would gain the benefit of the TWYCS rules even when in combat.My question is how many stealth check would he have to make, one when shifting back behind the pillar, another one when teleporting? Or just one check to rule them all!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Prodigal_Sun, post: 4403094, member: 54820"] I just reread the stealth skill description and can't distinguish two levels of stealth. Many times a rogue goes behind cover and then attacks, loosing the hidden condition. In these cases, stealth has only granted the rogue combat advantage. Should the rogue hide behind a statue and do nothing to break stealth (not attacking, not being in line of sight of others, not shouting, ...) he would be hidden, although it wouldn't be hard for enemies to target the right square since it's obvious he's behind the statue so the TWYCS rules don't come into play. Should the rogue be hidden in a larger area where the square he would be hiding in would not be obvious then he would be hidden. The creatures looking for him could make active perception checks as minor actions to find him. So I think the different lvl's of stealth you try to discern are just due to the fact that in many situations the TWYCS rules are not needed and only come into play in certain situations. I think the fact that in 3.5 you couldn't hide during combat because enemies would be aware still plays in people's mind. And the bluff rules that imply you can only hide and gain the benefit of the TWYCS rules if you where hidden previous to combat or by using the bluff skill. Now I'm confused. Here's an example. An eladrin ranger attacks with nimble strike and shifts behind a pillar, then uses his move action to teleport stealthily behind a different pillar. In this example I think the eladrin would gain the benefit of the TWYCS rules even when in combat. My question is how many stealth check would he have to make, one when shifting back behind the pillar, another one when teleporting? Or just one check to rule them all! [/QUOTE]

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