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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6646979" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Regarding the lightfoot compared to the stout, I agree that the two features should be balanced in their effect. If the lightfoot is always using its feature in combat then the stout should also have ample opportunity to use its feature, by say, always fighting creatures who use poison.Looking at the subrace descriptions, this caught my eye:Notice it says that other people are cover for the lightfoot, so this ability to hide should be treated the same as any other creature's ability to hide behind cover, subject to the rule that you can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly.I know your questions are rhetorical, but I'd like to explain myself. To be hidden is to have your location unknown, but it doesn't work like a spell, granting that effect. Hidden is, rather, a description of the state you achieve when you are unseen and unheard, and your location is unknown by those from whom you are hiding. If you fail to meet any of these criteria then you are simply not hidden.&nbsp;&nbsp; What about the plain English meaning of hide? To &quot;attempt to hide&quot; you need to try to hide, right?It allows you to be obscured by other creatures when you are using them as cover. Being at least lightly obscured as you move behind such cover is needed to prevent undistracted creatures from seeing you clearly .Because Naturally Stealthy isn't an exception to how you hide, it's an exception to what you can hide behind.I don't see a problem with any of this. If you are hidden, no one knows where you are.Sorry, I still don't understand the point of this example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6646979, member: 6787503"] Regarding the lightfoot compared to the stout, I agree that the two features should be balanced in their effect. If the lightfoot is always using its feature in combat then the stout should also have ample opportunity to use its feature, by say, always fighting creatures who use poison. Looking at the subrace descriptions, this caught my eye: Notice it says that other people are cover for the lightfoot, so this ability to hide should be treated the same as any other creature's ability to hide behind cover, subject to the rule that you can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly. I know your questions are rhetorical, but I'd like to explain myself. To be hidden is to have your location unknown, but it doesn't work like a spell, granting that effect. Hidden is, rather, a description of the state you achieve when you are unseen and unheard, and your location is unknown by those from whom you are hiding. If you fail to meet any of these criteria then you are simply not hidden. What about the plain English meaning of hide? To "attempt to hide" you need to try to hide, right? It allows you to be obscured by other creatures when you are using them as cover. Being at least lightly obscured as you move behind such cover is needed to prevent undistracted creatures from seeing you clearly . Because [I]Naturally Stealthy[/I] isn't an exception to how you hide, it's an exception to what you can hide behind. I don't see a problem with any of this. If you are hidden, no one knows where you are. Sorry, I still don't understand the point of this example. [/QUOTE]

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