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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6647792" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Yes, and the rules for hiding give total control to the DM in deciding if the character is in a situation where hiding is appropriate.I didn't say the DM decides when you do take the Hide action. I said the DM decides whether it is even a possibility in a given situation.The DM can also adjudicate that the action was successful beyond any uncertainty. Likewise, the DM can decide that the action is a failure, forgoing the need for any die roll. If the player doesn't roll a Dexterity (Stealth) check, can she be said to be taking the Hide action?What's the point of drawing a distinction between deserving and being empowered?That's not my logic. The character can "attempt" to do anything the player wants, but if failure is a forgone conclusion of the attempt, as determined by the DM, then of what use is the die roll? To put it another way, if you are going to adjudicate the outcome of my character's attempt to hide in an unobscured area with a Dexterity (Stealth) check contested by her opponent's passive Wisdom (Perception) score, then how are you going to resolve the same attempt to hide if it happens in a room that is completely dark? Surely hiding under circumstances in which your adversary can't see you would make it easier to make your location unknown.It says you can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly. Which is what I said.This might work for creatures of extremely low intelligence, but if creatures see a lightfoot halfling go behind her friend and not come out the other side, they would probably be right in assuming the halfling is still behind her friend. I wouldn't call that guessing or even deducing. They could rightfully be said to know the halfling is still there. Now it's true that the halfling could have teleported to some other location, but then the halfling isn't hidden behind her friend either. Although, she could hide in the new location if she so chooses, and if circumstance allows.So you're talking about a contest between the Dexterity (Stealth) check of the person hiding and the Wisdom (Perception) check of the person looking. This is true whether you use a passive score or not.Do you honestly think I don't know what a passive score is? I asked what you use them for, because as far as I know, the only use for a passive score is as a substitute for a die roll in making an ability check.</blockquote>

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