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<blockquote data-quote="TDarien" data-source="post: 6647979">This is absolutely not true.&nbsp; As I mentioned earlier, hiding isn't about creatures not knowing where you are, it's about them not being able to *detect* where you are.&nbsp; Yes you saw me move behind that pillar, so logically I'm still there.&nbsp; However, because you can't see me, I'm able to hide from you.&nbsp; If successful, you won't be able to tell that I'm there any longer.&nbsp; Note that this doesn't mean you've forgotten you saw me move there.&nbsp; Logically I'm still there, because there's no where else for me to go, but that's not the same thing as perceiving me.&nbsp; When I move again, I have to make myself visible, so I'm not hidden anymore (unless the DM rules that popping out to shoot falls under the &quot;under certain circumstances&quot; clause, in which case I can still get advantage on an attack, but that's 100% up to the DM).This is important because it's plausible that I could move from that spot undetected.&nbsp; By teleporting or climbing, for example.&nbsp; In order to do those actions undetected, I'm required to hide first.&nbsp; Otherwise you could detect me doing them.&nbsp; So if I move behind a pillar, I absolutely can hide, even if you see me go there.&nbsp; Granted, there may not be much benefit to me hiding, but that doesn't change the fact that I can hide.&nbsp; There's a difference between perceiving me in a spot and logically deducing I'm still there because you saw me go there.EDIT: As for lightfoot halflings (and wood elves, for that matter), I find it totally plausible that can effectively just disappear from your view, even if you're watching them closely.&nbsp; They're tricky little suckers.&nbsp; &quot;I'll get you now you little....WHERE'D HE GO?!?!?!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TDarien, post: 6647979"] This is [I]absolutely[/I] not true. As I mentioned earlier, hiding isn't about creatures not knowing where you are, it's about them not being able to *detect* where you are. Yes you saw me move behind that pillar, so logically I'm still there. However, because you can't see me, I'm able to hide from you. If successful, you won't be able to tell that I'm there any longer. Note that this doesn't mean you've forgotten you saw me move there. Logically I'm still there, because there's no where else for me to go, but that's not the same thing as [I]perceiving[/I] me. When I move again, I have to make myself visible, so I'm not hidden anymore (unless the DM rules that popping out to shoot falls under the "under certain circumstances" clause, in which case I can still get advantage on an attack, but that's 100% up to the DM). This is important because it's [I]plausible[/I] that I could move from that spot undetected. By teleporting or climbing, for example. In order to do those actions undetected, I'm required to hide first. Otherwise you could detect me doing them. So if I move behind a pillar, I [I]absolutely [/I]can hide, even if you see me go there. Granted, there may not be much benefit to me hiding, but that doesn't change the fact that I [I]can[/I] hide. There's a difference between perceiving me in a spot and logically deducing I'm still there because you saw me go there. EDIT: As for lightfoot halflings (and wood elves, for that matter), I find it totally plausible that can effectively just disappear from your view, even if you're watching them closely. They're tricky little suckers. "I'll get you now you little....WHERE'D HE GO?!?!?!" [/QUOTE]

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