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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6648687" data-attributes="member: 6787503">I'd say it's about both and I'm not so sure the rules support an interpretation that treats the two separately. As far as I understand, if you are detected, or noticed, then your location is known. When you are hidden your location is unknown until you are revealed in some way. You can't be hidden and have your location known at the same time.But my memory tells me you're still there. That isn't logic.I can't perceive your location with my memory? Remember, the ability I use for this is Wisdom.Now you're talking about ducking behind cover to elude the gaze of your enemies so you can move stealthily to another hiding spot. That was exactly my point about the lightfoot. Since she has nowhere to go, in a brightly lit room, other than to stay behind her medium or larger friend which her enemies just observed her stepping behind, there is really no opportunity for her to hide.Action and movement are the two parts of your turn, but they should not be necessarily thought of as happening at two separate times. Once obscured by your medium sized friend, you can certainly move quietly through the dense foliage behind him to a new hiding place where your location will be unknown to your enemies. But if you stay behind your friend, they will perceive where you are because they clearly saw you go there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6648687, member: 6787503"] I'd say it's about both and I'm not so sure the rules support an interpretation that treats the two separately. As far as I understand, if you are detected, or noticed, then your location is known. When you are hidden your location is unknown until you are revealed in some way. You can't be hidden and have your location known at the same time. But my memory tells me you're still there. That isn't logic. I can't perceive your location with my memory? Remember, the ability I use for this is Wisdom. Now you're talking about ducking behind cover to elude the gaze of your enemies so you can move stealthily to another hiding spot. That was exactly my point about the lightfoot. Since she has nowhere to go, in a brightly lit room, other than to stay behind her medium or larger friend which her enemies just observed her stepping behind, there is really no opportunity for her to hide. Action and movement are the two parts of your turn, but they should not be necessarily thought of as happening at two separate times. Once obscured by your medium sized friend, you can certainly move quietly through the dense foliage behind him to a new hiding place where your location will be unknown to your enemies. But if you stay behind your friend, they will perceive where you are because they clearly saw you go there. [/QUOTE]

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