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<blockquote data-quote="ExploderWizard" data-source="post: 6648866" data-attributes="member: 66434">The only realism that is of concern to me here is that words actually mean something. Granting a bonus to someone who is unseen is fine. Calling someone hidden when everyone knows exactly where they are is simply announcing to the world that you do not know what the word hidden means. I agree, but I can enjoy fantasy without having to forget the meaning of common words. Being stealthy IS what the rogue is all about. If we examine the actual meaning of the words &quot;stealth&quot; and &quot;hide&quot; we see a pattern in the meaning that relates to a dependency on unawareness that involves more than just sight. Being successful at something like stealth is an all or nothing game. You are either detected or not. An invisible person wearing bells can hardly be stealthy even though they are unseen. Being unseen in itself is an advantage, but it isn't as good as being undetected. The absurdity is the belief that every class has to be as good at combat as the fighter. If we take hiding while practically in someone's face hitting them every round out of the equation then the stealth rules are largely ok.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ExploderWizard, post: 6648866, member: 66434"] The only realism that is of concern to me here is that words actually mean something. Granting a bonus to someone who is unseen is fine. Calling someone hidden when everyone knows exactly where they are is simply announcing to the world that you do not know what the word hidden means. I agree, but I can enjoy fantasy without having to forget the meaning of common words. Being stealthy IS what the rogue is all about. If we examine the actual meaning of the words "stealth" and "hide" we see a pattern in the meaning that relates to a dependency on unawareness that involves more than just sight. Being successful at something like stealth is an all or nothing game. You are either detected or not. An invisible person wearing bells can hardly be stealthy even though they are unseen. Being unseen in itself is an advantage, but it isn't as good as being undetected. The absurdity is the belief that every class has to be as good at combat as the fighter. If we take hiding while practically in someone's face hitting them every round out of the equation then the stealth rules are largely ok. [/QUOTE]

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