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<blockquote data-quote="TDarien" data-source="post: 6650462">I understand what you're saying, but don't you understand the sensory data and your memory can conflict?&nbsp; That's kinda what's happening when a creature hides.&nbsp; Logic (your memory) tells you the creature is still there, but your senses tell you it's not.&nbsp; This is how real-life magicians make their money.&nbsp; This is the heart of my point.&nbsp; Because hiding requires an action, it is completely unrelated to the movement.&nbsp; In order to do anything stealthily, you must first take the hide action.&nbsp; However, the action and the movement are completely separate and independent of each other, so it doesn't matter if you actually move or not; it's completely irrelevant.&nbsp; If they were intended to be tied together, hiding would be part of movement and not its own action.Consider this: if I move behind that pillar and hide, how would you tell if I moved through that secret door or was still behind the pillar?&nbsp; Your memory of my moving behind that pillar cannot tell you if I slipped through the secret door or not. However, if I didn't take the hide action you would be able to tell whether I did or not, for the same reason you know the location of invisible creatures who aren't hidden.This is why it's possible to hide behind a pillar with nowhere to go.&nbsp; Your memory may tell you I'm still there, but you no longer have any way of verifying that information once I take the hide action.&nbsp; I'm not claiming you'd forget that I was there or that you'd be surprised that I was still there.&nbsp; It just creates a situation where your senses conflict with your memory.&nbsp; This conflict doesn't exist if the Hide action isn't taken.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TDarien, post: 6650462"] I understand what you're saying, but don't you understand the sensory data and your memory can conflict? That's kinda what's happening when a creature hides. Logic (your memory) tells you the creature is still there, but your senses tell you it's not. This is how real-life magicians make their money. This is the heart of my point. Because hiding requires an [I]action[/I], it is completely unrelated to the movement. In order to do [I]anything[/i] stealthily, you must first take the hide action. However, the action and the movement are completely separate and independent of each other, so it doesn't matter if you actually move or not; it's [I]completely[/I] irrelevant. If they were intended to be tied together, hiding would be part of movement and not its own action. [B]Consider this: if I move behind that pillar and hide, how would you tell if I moved through that secret door or was still behind the pillar?[/B] Your memory of my moving behind that pillar cannot tell you if I slipped through the secret door or not. However, if I didn't take the hide action you [I]would[/I] be able to tell whether I did or not, for the same reason you know the location of invisible creatures who aren't hidden. This is why it's possible to hide behind a pillar with nowhere to go. Your memory may tell you I'm still there, but you no longer have any way of verifying that information once I take the hide action. I'm not claiming you'd forget that I was there or that you'd be surprised that I was still there. It just creates a situation where your senses conflict with your memory. This conflict doesn't exist if the Hide action isn't taken. [/QUOTE]

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