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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6651090" data-attributes="member: 6787503">Why bother quoting me if you're going to paraphrase my comments in such an insulting and dismissive way? Do you expect to win an argument with such tactics?Why do you insist on equating memory with logic if not simply to annoy me? The two are obviously separate phenomena.   No they don't. Magicians use misdirection, i.e. distraction, in order to get you to look the other way while they hide something in a place you're not looking.That's why the rules require there be a DM that can take into account the different factors involved. First you tell the DM what you do on your turn, then the DM adjudicates the outcome, calling for a die roll if appropriate. If what you do on your turn sounds like hiding, then the DM may ask you for a Stealth check. At the risk of repeating myself, movement and action needn't be separate.I think [MENTION=6939]Coredump[/MENTION] may be right and that this has devolved into a semantics argument over the timing of the Stealth check, since what I'm saying is that once you are obscured by the pillar, and are then attempting to hide in a location where your position will be unknown if you are successful, then it is perfectly acceptable to resolve that action with a Stealth check which, of course, would be rolled on the turn in which you are attempting that action. This really isn't very different than what I believe you're suggesting. However, I don't see any conflict that would arise when a creature's location is known, and yet the creature itself is unseen and unheard. A lack of sensory stimuli doesn't override the knowledge of the creature's location. If the observer was somehow misdirected into thinking there was a possibility that the creature was in fact not where the observer knows it to be, for example if the creature were to cast a spell that creates an illusory image of itself in a different location, then there would be a conflict between what the observer knows and what he senses.</blockquote>

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